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Francesco
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Posted - 08/06/2015 :  19:38:46  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote


I have just received the communication that the new book by Danilevsky has been finally published!

Danilevsky M. L., 2014 - Longicorn beetles (Coleoptera, Cerambycoidea) of Russia and adjacent countries. Part 1 - HSC, Moscow, 518 pp.[in Russian]

More than 500 pages of text (in Russian) and high-quality pictures at the convenient cost of 80 $ (+ postage).
Here you can have an idea of the quality; moreover, you can download here a preview of 28 pages (including the plan of the work and some other plates).

Pierre-Olivier Maquart
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Posted - 08/06/2015 :  21:20:02  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Looks great !

Just a shame that it's in Russian and not in English, it would have broaden the number of potential readers...
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Francesco
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Posted - 17/09/2016 :  12:37:22  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Dr. Miroshnikov has just send me his recent publication, where he strongly criticizes some controversial aspects of such monograph:

Miroshnikov A. I., 2016 - Myths and reality: critical remarks on M.L. Danilevsky’s monograph, “Longicorn beetles (Coleoptera, Cerambycoidea) of Russia and adjacent countres. Part 1”. Moscow: HSC, 2014. 518 p. - Caucasian Entomological Bulletin 12 (1): 181–214.

The article was written in Russian, but I can insert here the English abstract.

Abstract. The present paper is devoted to a detailed analysis and critiques of the most doubtful, disputed or erroneous assertions, as well as of the diverse mythical data which M.L. Danilevsky’s monograph, “Longicorn beetles (Coleoptera, Cerambycoidea) of Russia and adjacent countries. Part 1”, abounds with.
The real publication date of this book is found to be May 2015, not 2014 as stated therein and on some websites. Exactly this date is suggested to be considered as the actual publication date of all new taxa (1 genus, 5 subgenera, 1 species and 27 subspecies) described in the monograph.
The largely poor structure of the book is noted as one of its main defects, this being clear from the complete absence of a general part with its conventional introductory chapters usually contained in such large monographs.
Keys to taxa of all levels and their detailed differential diagnoses that constitute one of the most important parts of any serious taxonomic work are likewise missing. Complete failure in a whole number of statements and conclusions concerning the biological features and systematic positions of many species in the tribe Lepturini, in particular, Stictoleptura Casey, 1924 and Paracorymbia Miroshnikov, 1998, is revealed as being based on fabrications, scientifically unproven arguments, deep contradictions and rather dubious characteristics. When discussing these groups, certain Nearctic genera are used in the present paper for comparative purposes, namely, Brachyleptura Casey, 1913 and Toxoleptura Miroshnikov, 1998.
The new synonymy, Batesiata Miroshnikov, 1998 (subgen. pro Paracorymbia Miroshnikov, 1998) = Pyrrholeptura Lazarev, 2016 (subgen. pro Stictoleptura Casey, 1924), syn. n., is established, which is directly associated with Danilevsky's conclusions.
Some approaches of the monograph’s author to the establishment of new species-group taxa are considered as at times being beneath criticism, representatives of the genus Cortodera Mulsant, 1863 taken as examples.
Numerous manipulations by M.L.Danilevsky of literature data, including their disregard or hiding in cases convenient to him, are disclosed. Absolutely astounding, unreal interpretations of various published data by other authors, sometimes also deeply affecting moral and ethical aspects, are shown.
Critical remarks are given on rather numerous discourses and statements of the author of the monograph that are mostly related to this or that information on representatives of such genera as Rhaesus Motschulsky, 1875, Aegosoma Audinet-Serville, 1832, Neoxymirus Miroshnikov, 2013, Enoploderes Faldermann, 1837, Rhagium Fabricius, 1775, Brachyta Fairmaire, 1865, Alosterna Mulsant, 1863, Vadonia Mulsant, 1863, Anoplodera Mulsant, 1839, Robustanoplodera Pic, 1954, Lepturobosca Reitter, 1913, Pachytodes Pic, 1891, Stenurella Villiers, 1974, Necydalis Linnaeus, 1758, etc.
Etymology of new scientific names advanced is often either completely ignored or sometimes perplexing.
The book abounds with printing mistakes and inaccuracies so much that even their approximate number is too hard to count.
The monograph is most deeply upsetting in crudely misinterpreting or hiding a huge amount of scientific evidence, thus misleading the reader.
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Capitaine
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Posted - 17/09/2016 :  18:06:30  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
conclusion? a big bullshit ?

Claude
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Xavier
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Posted - 17/09/2016 :  18:40:35  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Capitaine

conclusion? a big bullshit ?

T'y vas pas un peu fort là ? Tu ne connais ni l'argumentation de l'un, ni les motivations de l'autre !
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Xavier
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Posted - 17/09/2016 :  18:51:33  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Le plus rigolo, c'est que dans la liste des 138 (!) articles - consacrés aux longicornes - publiés par DANILEVSKY, plusieurs ont été écrits en collaboration avec ...MIROSHNIKOV !
Z'auraient pas des comptes à régler ces deux-là ? Avant de juger,...
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Francesco
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Posted - 17/09/2016 :  19:24:12  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Mah... il faut dire que certains des derniers taxa de Danilevsky sont un peu trop immotivés. Moi-même, je me suis refusé de les insérer dans BioLib pour leur évidente inconsistance.

La validité de Aredolpona, Miroshnikovia, Variileptura ainsi comme leur synonymie avec Paracorymbia (pour rester chez les Stictoleptura, mais ca passe le même avec les sous-genres de Brachyta), laisse plutôt perplexes.
Là on confonde la variabilité spécifique avec les sous-genres. A cette allure, on aura seulement des sous-genres, voire genres, mono-spécifiques, comme pour les genres américains étudiés par Martins.

Ainsi comme les nouvelles "sous-espèces" et "espèces" de Morimus ou de Brachyta interrogationis.
Avec le même système on pourra faire 40-50 sous-espèces avec les populations italiennes.
Là on confonde le concept de sous-espèce avec celui de population... une chose inaugurée par Sama (et ses sous-espèces imaginaires de Leptura maculata, Stenopterus rufus, Grammoptera ruficornis, etc.) pour arriver à Lazarev et ses 14 (!) sous-espèces de Dorcadion cinereum dans la seule Crimée.
Les sous-espèces devraient etre reconnaissables sans lire l’étiquette de provenance!
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Xaurus
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Posted - 18/09/2016 :  00:40:09  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
You are right Francesco, it seems to me that Danilevsky has a kind of scientific dementia, he ignores zoogeographical aspects totally etc., best example Brachtya interrogationis eitschbergeri, and, and ..

If such people need money, they shouldn't publish such dumbly papers ( one month salary for "eitschbergeri" ?)

Unfortunately, it is soon time to be with me that I lose the desire to longhorn beetles, when those sick people destroy this beautiful family.

Sorry, I had to say something, now times frustrate !

Edited by - Xaurus on 18/09/2016 00:40:43
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Capitaine
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Posted - 18/09/2016 :  12:07:44  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Eh bien Xavier, si j'avais pris la précaution de mettre des points d'interrogations c'est que ce n'était pas un jugement mais une demande d'avis sur ce travail... et je crois maintenant en avoir suffisamment !

Claude
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Xavier
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Posted - 18/09/2016 :  12:27:09  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Certes, et c'est assez effrayant !
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Xavier
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Posted - 02/10/2016 :  17:50:05  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I just discover that :
Cortodera alpina (Ménétriés, 1832)
Cortodera alpina armeniaca Pic, 1898
Cortodera alpina baksaniensis Danilevsky, 2014
Cortodera alpina fischtensis Starck, 1894
Cortodera alpina gudissensis Danilevsky, 2013
Cortodera alpina matusiaki Danilevsky, 2014
Cortodera alpina psebayensis Danilevsky, 2014
Cortodera alpina rosti Pic, 1892
Cortodera alpina starcki Reitter, 1888
Cortodera alpina svanorum Danilevsky, 2014
Cortodera alpina tatvanensis Danilevsky, 2015
Cortodera alpina umbripennis Reitter, 1890
Cortodera alpina xanthoptera Pic, 1898
Cortodera alpina zekarensis Danilevsky, 2014
Cortodera analis (Gebler, 1830)
Cortodera atra (Tamanuki, 1943)
Cortodera baltea Holzschuh, 2003
Cortodera bamiyana Danilevsky, 2014
Cortodera barri Linsley & Chemsak, 1972
Cortodera bivittata Linsley & Chemsak, 1972
Cortodera ciliata Danilevsky, 2001
Cortodera ciliata milaenderi Danilevsky, 2001
Cortodera ciliata sakmarensis Danilevsky, 2006
Cortodera cirsii Holzschuh, 1975
Cortodera colchica aestiva Sama & Rapuzzi, 1999
Cortodera colchica aishkha Danilevsky, 2014
Cortodera colchica aksarayensis Özdikmen & Özbek, 2012
Cortodera colchica bulungensis Danilevsky, 2014
Cortodera colchica danczenkoi Danilevsky, 1987
Cortodera colchica deyrollei Pic, 1894
Cortodera colchica dilizhanica Danilevsky, 2014
Cortodera colchica erevanica Danilevsky, 2014
Cortodera colchica erzurumensis Danilevsky, 2015
Cortodera colchica kalashiani Danilevsky, 2000
Cortodera colchica murzini Danilevsky, 2014
Cortodera colchica ossetica Danilevsky, 2014
Cortodera colchica ponomarenkoi Danilevsky, 2014
Cortodera colchica porsukensis Danilevsky, 2015
Cortodera colchica pseudalpina Plavilstshikov, 1936
Cortodera colchica Reitter, 1890
Cortodera coniferae Hopping & Hopping, 1947
Cortodera cubitalis (LeConte, 1861)
Cortodera differens magdae Danilevsky, 2012
Cortodera differens Pic, 1898
Cortodera discolor ankarensis Danilevsky, 2015
Cortodera discolor bitlisiensis Danilevsky, 2015
Cortodera discolor Fairmaire, 1866
Cortodera discolor gumushanensis Danilevsky, 2015
Cortodera falsa (LeConte, 1859)
Cortodera farsensis Danilevsky, 2014
Cortodera femorata (Fabricius, 1787)
Cortodera ferrea Linsley & Chemsak, 1972
Cortodera flavimana (Waltl, 1838)
Cortodera flavimana angorensis Danilevsky, 2015
Cortodera flavimana inonuensis Danilevsky, 2015
Cortodera flavimana karsensis Danilevsky, 2015
Cortodera flavimana oezdikmeni Danilevsky, 2015
Cortodera flavimana rufipes (Kraatz, 1876)
Cortodera flavimana schurmanni Sama, 1997
Cortodera flavimana sergeyi Danilevsky, 2015
Cortodera flavimana sultanensis Danilevsky, 2015
Cortodera flavimana torosensis Danilevsky, 2015
Cortodera flavimana zoiai Pesarini & Sabbadini, 2009
Cortodera fraudis Linsley & Chemsak, 1972
Cortodera funerea Linsley & Chemsak, 1972
Cortodera holosericea (Fabricius, 1801)
Cortodera holosericea velutina Heyden, 1876
Cortodera hroni Danilevsky, 2012
Cortodera humeralis (Schaller, 1783)
Cortodera humeralis aspromontana Müller, 1949
Cortodera humeralis moreensis Danilevsky, 2015
Cortodera impunctata Hopping & Hopping, 1947
Cortodera imrasanica Sama & Rapuzzi, 1999
Cortodera ivanovi Danilevsky, 2013
Cortodera kadleci Danilevsky, 2015
Cortodera kaphanica Danilevsky, 1985
Cortodera kazaryani Danilevsky, 2014
Cortodera khatchikovi Danilevsky, 2001
Cortodera kiesenwetteri gusakovi Danilevsky, 2013
Cortodera kiesenwetteri Pic, 1898
Cortodera kiesenwetteri subtruncata Pic, 1934
Cortodera kochi Pic, 1935
Cortodera kokpektensis Danilevsky, 2007
Cortodera komarovi Danilevsky, 1996
Cortodera komarovi romantzovi Danilevsky, 2013
Cortodera komarovi sarysuensis Danilevsky, 2013
Cortodera komarovi solodovnikovi Danilevsky, 2013
Cortodera longicornis (Kirby, 1837)
Cortodera longipilis Pic, 1898
Cortodera metallica Holzschuh, 2003
Cortodera militaris (LeConte, 1850)
Cortodera militaris constans Linsley & Chemsak, 1972
Cortodera militaris variipes (Casey, 1891)
Cortodera moldovana Danilevsky, 1996
Cortodera napolovi Danilevsky, 2015
Cortodera neali Danilevsky, 2004
Cortodera neslihanae Özdikmen, 2016
Cortodera nitidipennis (Casey, 1913)
Cortodera obscurans Pic, 1892
Cortodera omophloides Holzschuh, 1975
Cortodera orientalis Adlbauer, 1988
Cortodera orientalis didemae Özdikmen, 2016
Cortodera placerensis Hopping & Hopping, 1947
Cortodera pseudomophlus Reitter, 1889
Cortodera pumila crataegi Holzschuh, 1986
Cortodera pumila Ganglbauer, 1882
Cortodera pumila meltemae Özdikmen, Mercan & Cihan, 2012
Cortodera pumila tournieri Pic, 1895
Cortodera ranunculi Holzschuh, 1975
Cortodera reitteri Pic, 1891
Cortodera reitteri taurica Plavilstshikov, 1936
Cortodera robusta Hopping & Hopping, 1947
Cortodera rubripennis Pic, 1891
Cortodera semilivida Pic, 1891
Cortodera sibirica (Plavilstshikov, 1915)
Cortodera sibirica shavrovi Danilevsky, 2001
Cortodera simulatrix Holzschuh, 1975
Cortodera spuria (LeConte, 1873)
Cortodera stolida (Casey, 1924)
Cortodera subpilosa (LeConte, 1850)
Cortodera syriaca nigroapicalis Holzschuh, 1981
Cortodera syriaca Pic, 1901
Cortodera tatianae Miroshnikov, 2011
Cortodera thorpi Linsley & Chemsak, 1972
Cortodera tibialis (Marseul, 1876)
Cortodera tibialis rossica Danilevsky, 2001
Cortodera tibialis ruthena Plavilstshikov, 1936
Cortodera transcaspica lobanovi Kazjutschits, 1988
Cortodera transcaspica persica Plavilstshikov, 1936
Cortodera transcaspica Plavilstshikov, 1936
Cortodera tuberculicollis Linsley & Chemsak, 1972
Cortodera turgaica Danilevsky, 2001
Cortodera uniformis Holzschuh, 1975
Cortodera ussuriensis Tsherepanov, 1978
Cortodera vanduzeei Linsley & Chemsak, 1972
Cortodera vicina Pic, 1914
Cortodera villosa aktolagaica Miroshnikov, 2007
Cortodera villosa chuvilini Danilevsky, 2011
Cortodera villosa circassica Reitter, 1890
Cortodera villosa Heyden, 1876
Cortodera villosa kazakorum Danilevsky, 2014
Cortodera villosa krasnobaevi Danilevsky, 2010
Cortodera villosa kuvandykensis Danilevsky, 2011
Cortodera villosa magdeevi Danilevsky, 2010
Cortodera villosa major Miroshnikov, 2007
Cortodera villosa mariae Danilevsky, 2010
Cortodera villosa mikhailovi Danilevsky, 2001
Cortodera villosa miroshnikovi Danilevsky, 2010
Cortodera villosa nakhichevanica Miroshnikov, 2007
Cortodera villosa parfentjevi Miroshnikov, 2007
Cortodera villosa zhuravlevi Miroshnikov, 2007
Cortodera wewalkai Holzschuh, 1995
Cortodera wittmeri akshehirensis Danilevsky, 2015
Cortodera wittmeri gevashensis Danilevsky, 2015
Cortodera wittmeri Holzschuh, 1995
Cortodera wittmeri malatyaensis Danilevsky, 2015
Cortodera wittmeri sivasensis Danilevsky, 2015


Edited by - Xavier on 02/10/2016 17:51:30
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Xaurus
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Posted - 03/10/2016 :  00:57:39  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Horrifically
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znort
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Posted - 11/10/2016 :  18:57:41  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Merci Francesco de nous faire partager un aperçu du livre de Danilevsky. Ça donne une idée du contenu.
L'absence de clé est dommageable mais pour reprendre le fil du post.
Est-ce vraiment possible d'établir une simple clé fonctionnelle basée sur des critères externes pour certains genre évoqués par Xavier. Je suis même pas cru que Danilevsky lui y parviendrai....

Located in Jiangsu now!!!
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Francesco
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Posted - 12/10/2016 :  07:40:59  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Le problème n'est pas là.
Ça suffit de prendre n'importe quelle clé des Lepturini européens et décider de mettre "sous-genre" à un certain caractère différentiel.
Je ne sais pas, par exemple: Côtés du pronotum plus gibbeuses > Aredolpona.
Est-ce que cela a du sens?
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Capitaine
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Posted - 12/10/2016 :  11:34:37  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
C'est vrai Francesco, et on en revient au problème des simples variations dans une même espèce qui peuvent, à mon avis, amener éventuellement à la création d'une sous-espèce mais certainement pas d'un sous-genre.
A l'étage inférieur, ce problème est bien connu des carabophiles car ils ont même crée des "natios" pour séparer les sous-espèces ! (classement sans aucune valeur taxonomique).

Claude
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Dominique
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Posted - 03/03/2017 :  19:16:58  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Pour les curieux, le bouquin est disponible au téléchargement ici :
https://www.zin.ru/Animalia/Coleoptera/pdf/Danilevsky_2014_Cerambycoidea_Russia_part-1_web.pdf

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