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dryobius
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Posted - 04/07/2017 :  22:37:02  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote




Spinocentruopsis papuanus?

Male 25 mm
Female 32 mm

Xaurus, do you think they are determined correctly?

Francesco
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Posted - 10/07/2017 :  09:12:42  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote


This is the original drawing.

However, the exact (and complete) name is Spinocentruropsis papuanus Minet, 1987 and this species belongs to Morimopsini not to Phrissomini.
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Xavier
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Posted - 10/07/2017 :  09:30:57  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Strange, this species is described in BREUNING S., 1979. Descriptions de nouveaux genres et espèces de Lamiinae (Col., Cerambycidae). Bulletin de la Société Entomologique de Mulhouse [janvier-mars 1979]: 13-15.
I have the paper.

So, I do not understand what is the publication by MINET Gérard J., 1987. Un nouveau genre, une nouvelle espèce de longicorne : Spinocentruropsis papuanus (Coleoptera, Cerambycidae Lamiinae). Bulletin de la Société Sciences Nat, Venette 55: 21.
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Xavier
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Posted - 10/07/2017 :  10:31:08  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote


BREUNING, 1979. Descriptions de nouveaux genres et espèces de Lamiinae (Col., Cerambycidae). Bulletin de la Société Entomologique de Mulhouse, page 15.

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Francesco
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Posted - 10/07/2017 :  17:40:38  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote

MINET G. J., 1987 - Un nouveau genre, une nouvelle espèce de longicorne : Spinocentruropsis papuanus (Coleoptera, Cerambycidae Lamiinae) - Bulletin de la Société Sciences Nat, Venette 55: 21-23.


According to Minet, this name was in litteris...
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dryobius
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Posted - 10/07/2017 :  17:56:30  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I cannot read the article by Minet.... it is too small. Did he designate a type? Did he provide any data? What kind of junk gets published in Sciences Nat?

Did Minet describe the same specimen that Breuning described?
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Robert
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Posted - 10/07/2017 :  18:15:28  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Robert's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Dan, in order to read Minet's article, right-click it and select "view image".

Robert V.
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Xavier
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Posted - 10/07/2017 :  18:43:31  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
At the end of his "paper", Minet explain that he found this species in Monguillon's collection,and he used notes written by Breuning. In honor of Breuning, He kept Breuning's name.

So, because it is the same holotype specimen, there is no problem : Minet's paper is just useless.

In Titan database, the right name is Spinocentruropsis papuanus Breuning, 1979.
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Xaurus
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Posted - 12/07/2017 :  18:41:43  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
First: Minet described the same spm again, I think he did know Breuning's description and sought it was an in litt name

2nd: Dan your spms belong to Protilemoides buergersi Kriesche, 1923, S. papuanus has no elytral extensions in the last third at least acc the drawing, I haven't seen the type (acc Titanbase coll Mauguillon where is this ?)
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