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Bennyboymothman
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Posted - 11/02/2018 :  20:03:29  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Bennyboymothman's Homepage  Send Bennyboymothman a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote

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Moechotypa sp. ?
Still can't find this one.

Data: 28-02-14 - Mt Trus Madi - Keningau District - Sabah - North Borneo - Malaysia

Thanks
Ben

Edited by - Xavier on 25/02/2018 09:43:46

Xavier
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Posted - 12/02/2018 :  13:38:50  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
If it really belongs to Moechotypa or Moechohecyra genus, It doesn't fit with any known species . I think it could be an undescribed species.

Edited by - Xavier on 12/02/2018 13:40:48
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dryobius
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Posted - 12/02/2018 :  16:41:26  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I have a couple like this from Sabah.
I believe it is undescribed and so someone please move this to the proper forum..

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Xavier
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Posted - 13/02/2018 :  13:16:30  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
So, you both, should write a paper to describe this species.
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Bennyboymothman
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Posted - 13/02/2018 :  20:04:52  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Bennyboymothman's Homepage  Send Bennyboymothman a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Agreed, I have no known species like this from my collecting years and from sources that have provided me with specimens of this genus.
I'd be interested to see your specimens!
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Beckey
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Posted - 24/02/2018 :  08:52:00  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
It seems to be Pteropliini for me.
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Xavier
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Posted - 24/02/2018 :  11:41:30  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beckey

It seems to be Pteropliini for me.

I have the same doubt. Something close to Rhytiphora genus ?

Edited by - Xavier on 24/02/2018 11:47:46
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Xaurus
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Posted - 25/02/2018 :  02:28:00  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote

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maybe look at Mimoniphona fasciculata spm from India acc the type picture: https://apps2.cdfa.ca.gov/publicApps/plant/bycidDB/wdetails.asp?id=36610&w=o
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dryobius
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Posted - 28/02/2018 :  06:03:30  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
The photo by Ben, is clearly, in my opinion, a Moechotypa. Moechotypa generally have very rough or rugged sculpturing on the pronotum. The two species in Borneo which we are familiar with (M. thoracica & M. marmorea) have quite different sculpturing on the pronotum.

Note that Ben's specimen (and two that I have) has a swollen scape, somewhat like M. attenuata from Vietnam. Mimoniphona does not have this feature.

The antennae of Ben's specimen appears to be about the same length as my specimens, so perhaps they are all females. The antennae on my specimens nearly attain the apex of the elytra when straightened out.

I don't know the length of Ben's specimen, but mine are the same length as M. marmorea. Sometimes, Pteropliini get this large, and sometimes they even have long antennae, but generally not.

Finally, the tarsal claws are of a form like other Moechotypa, and not Pteropliini.
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Max
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Posted - 01/03/2018 :  18:35:42  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
If it's really paratypus here so, it is or something very close.
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dryobius
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Posted - 01/03/2018 :  18:59:43  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Niphoropica albipennis is much smaller I believe.
Yes, there is some similarity.
Niphoropica does not have the large protuberance on the side of the pronotum. It's pronotum is reddish-brown... not black.

This new Moechotypa is about 20-21mm.
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Francesco
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Posted - 01/03/2018 :  21:29:02  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote
According to the description, Niphoropica albipennis is 17 mm long, not so far from this species.
The pattern is too particular to be a different species.
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Bennyboymothman
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Posted - 02/03/2018 :  00:07:51  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Bennyboymothman's Homepage  Send Bennyboymothman a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
20mm exactly. I believe my specimen appears to be a female also.
I am pretty sure it fits in with my other Moechotypa species with it's general jizz and characteristics.
It has a wide scape and is rather bumpy along the top of the scape as well.
I guess it needs looking at further but I am unable to at the moment with limited time.
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dryobius
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Posted - 02/03/2018 :  17:01:32  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
You apparently missed my comment about the tarsal claws and the lateral pronotal tubercles. Pteropliini have divergent claws, whereas this species has claws that are divaricate.

http://cerambycids.com/longicornid/default.asp?a=resources&id=claws

Edited by - dryobius on 02/03/2018 17:08:08
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Francesco
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Posted - 02/03/2018 :  17:40:46  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dryobius

Niphoropica albipennis is much smaller I believe.
Niphoropica does not have the large protuberance on the side of the pronotum.
1. Maybe it is better to read descriptions before judging :


Breuning, 1964: 67

2. The position of the head is innatural. This specimen does not overpass 18 mm.

3. Pteropliini, Apomecynini and this species have normal (divergent) claws.

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dryobius
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Posted - 02/03/2018 :  19:04:02  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
The photo does not clearly show the claws. I have mine in front of my eyes!! DIVARICATE!
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