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Xaurus
Member Rosenbergia
Germany
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 Posted - 24/01/2023 : 17:06:34
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I got this spm (size incl. mandibles 45 mm) in loan from BM, I have no idea about the species coming from Papua ?? maybe with a wrong label, but there are some other species with the same location |
Edited by - Xavier on 24/01/2023 17:41:03 |
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Xavier
Scientific Collaborator
France
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Posted - 24/01/2023 : 17:40:09
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It looks like a Cacosceles (Cacoscelini, Prioninae), an african species. So, I think the label is not related to "Papua" , but Guinée, or Guinée-Bissau, or Guinée équatoriale (Africa).
But I do not find any Torecella Mt. in Africa. |
Edited by - Xavier on 24/01/2023 17:42:06 |
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Vitali
Member Rosenbergia
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Posted - 24/01/2023 : 17:49:29
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| Funny, but Google search produces new Nitidulidae and Reduviidae species with exactly(!) the same locality data. |
Edited by - Vitali on 24/01/2023 17:53:38 |
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Xavier
Scientific Collaborator
France
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Posted - 24/01/2023 : 18:26:17
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I still do not know where is Torecella. |
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Francesco
Forum Admin
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Posted - 24/01/2023 : 21:53:31
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It should be
"Papua New Guinea, Sandaun Province, Torricelli Mountains".
Moore collected certainly in New Guinea in 1939.
However, the specimen is a male of Cacosceles oedipus Newman, 1838 |
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Xaurus
Member Rosenbergia
Germany
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Posted - 25/01/2023 : 00:52:30
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Thanks a lot for the really fast reply, from Papua I've never seen such a species
It is right G.P. Moore collected in the Toricelli Mts., there are a couple of others species from this location, all belong to this area, so maybe introduced or more probably a wrong label.
Remarkable: this label has two pin holes (see near the middle). I checked the other material all with the only original pin hole. |
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Xavier
Scientific Collaborator
France
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Posted - 25/01/2023 : 07:08:30
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Curiously, there is a Pithanotes falsus Newman, 1840
collected in Australia (= Nova Hollandia) at BMNH museum which is a synonym of Cacosceles oedipus Newman, 1838. Not so far from Papua. |
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Riana
Member Rosalia
South Africa
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Posted - 25/01/2023 : 19:25:02
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What a weird name.....
Persuasive false....
was Newman trying to say something ???????? |
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Capitaine
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Posted - 18/09/2023 : 18:41:26
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To return to this post, it seems implausible that two years apart Newman would have described two different species from identical specimens, considering the anatomical specificity of this species.
The specimen presented here is indeed C. oedipus, so either the label does not correspond to the origin, or the taxon "Pithanotes" really does present morphological differences.... We should be able to see the type at the BMNH.
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Xaurus
Member Rosenbergia
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Posted - 19/10/2024 : 01:09:22
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now I have taken pictures of the type spms of Cacosceles oedipus Newman, 1838 (male, 5.3cm) and Pithanotes falsus Newman 1940 (female 4.7cm) both deposite in NHML. The first question for me, the female of P. falsus is really a synonym of C. oedipus, but I not experienced in african species. Maybe anybody have a female from S-Africa.
Interesting: P. falsus was not mentioned neither in the catalogue of Australian Cerambycidae (McKeown 1947) nor in Slipinsky et al. (2023), although P. falsus was describe from New Holland. For that reason the spm above from New Guinea (for sure a male of C. oedipus) could be a right record ?
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