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Bennyboymothman
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Posted - 11/02/2020 :  16:09:23  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Bennyboymothman's Homepage  Send Bennyboymothman a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote

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Not sure on this chunky specimen.

Data: 10-2013 - Manokwari Region - Arfak Mountains 1170m - West Papua Prov - Indonesia

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Xaurus
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Posted - 12/02/2020 :  23:33:05  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
maybe Prosoplus bankii (F., 1775), erroneously recently under Rhytiphora !
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Francesco
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Posted - 13/02/2020 :  08:54:50  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Xaurus

erroneously recently under Rhytiphora !

No problem Andreas, we are preparing an article to fix this problem.
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Bennyboymothman
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Posted - 13/02/2020 :  22:26:00  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Bennyboymothman's Homepage  Send Bennyboymothman a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks both!
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Bennyboymothman
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Posted - 13/02/2020 :  22:29:11  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Bennyboymothman's Homepage  Send Bennyboymothman a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Although on second look, the markings don't match for bankii, possibly another Prosoplus species?
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Xaurus
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Posted - 13/02/2020 :  23:56:49  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
there are many species of Prosoplus described, bankii is widespread and shows a large variation, many of Breuning's types are in really bad conditions, so the ID is a big challenge.
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Xaurus
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Posted - 13/02/2020 :  23:58:23  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Great Francesco - the first step is to fix the genus
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Gontran
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Posted - 14/02/2020 :  16:08:55  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Is it correct if I send a photo of 10 species (side by side) of Australian Prosoplus species collected from 1933 to 1989. First it would help me to know if these are all really gen. Prosoplus, and if necessary I could try to make better photos one by one. But they won't be as good as Andreas'ones. I don't know who identified those specimens but I am sure the ID is a very big challenge and there are certainly many synonyms.... and errors.

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Gontran
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Posted - 15/02/2020 :  15:20:47  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
To compare: this specimen from Australia, Karumba, QLD, Febr. 10, 1988. Identified as Prosoplus banki (F.)=bankii.


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Francesco
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Posted - 15/02/2020 :  18:04:57  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote
None of them is P. bankii.
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Gontran
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Posted - 15/02/2020 :  20:30:55  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
That's what I suspected. Thank you Francesco.

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Bennyboymothman
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Posted - 15/02/2020 :  22:20:16  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Bennyboymothman's Homepage  Send Bennyboymothman a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
The plot thickens with Rhytiphora and Prosoplus!
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