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Bennyboymothman
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Posted - 21/01/2019 :  23:50:54  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Bennyboymothman's Homepage  Send Bennyboymothman a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote

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Not sure on this one...

Thanks

Data: Dong Tien, Vietnam.

Edited by - Xavier on 13/05/2022 13:29:09

Vitali
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Posted - 22/01/2019 :  08:53:22  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Are you sure this one comes from Asia?
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Bennyboymothman
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Posted - 22/01/2019 :  12:56:50  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Bennyboymothman's Homepage  Send Bennyboymothman a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Yes. It is from a contact in North Vietnam. I did notice the similarity with the Eunidia group though.
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Vitali
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Posted - 22/01/2019 :  13:30:23  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I asked mainly because of the similarity with this one.
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Bennyboymothman
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Posted - 22/01/2019 :  15:38:44  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Bennyboymothman's Homepage  Send Bennyboymothman a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Both the scape and bottom of pronotum are different though?
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Jérôme Sudre
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Posted - 22/01/2019 :  19:40:00  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Good evening

Is there a cicatrice on the scape or not ?

Strangely enough, I have the impression that the scape is shrinking? Like some Dorcaschematini and also Ancylonotini?

Edited by - Jérôme Sudre on 26/01/2019 11:33:23
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dryobius
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Posted - 26/01/2019 :  12:49:15  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
If this is truly from Vietnam, you might want to look over some Saperdini species.
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Francesco
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Posted - 26/01/2019 :  15:00:31  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Francesco's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Actually, it reminds the genus Cervoglenea...
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Jérôme Sudre
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Posted - 26/01/2019 :  15:10:52  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Oui peut être cependant le scape m'intrigue ?? Il me semble (?) fortement râpeux latéralement ? Je ne connais pas le genre Cervoglenea Mais le scape est il râpeux ?
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Xavier
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Posted - 26/01/2019 :  17:31:36  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jérôme Sudre

Oui peut être cependant le scape m'intrigue ?? Il me semble (?) fortement râpeux latéralement ? Je ne connais pas le genre Cervoglenea Mais le scape est il râpeux ?

Ok avec toi, je pense que c'est plutôt un Dorcaschematini, sans doute du genre Microlenecamptus (et dans ce cas, c'est une nouvelle espèce), ou proche (mais quel genre, alors ?) :


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Jérôme Sudre
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Posted - 27/01/2019 :  09:11:00  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Bonjour Xavier

J'ai des doutes avec l'appartenance au genre Microlenecamptus ? Cela me semble un autre genre mais quoi effectivemment ??
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Xavier
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Posted - 27/01/2019 :  09:50:51  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I have also some doubts. There are 6 known species of Microlenecamptus (I am not certain of ID of all pictures here) :

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They have all longer elytron, rounded or spined, but not truncated....

A new genus ??

Edited by - Xavier on 27/01/2019 09:53:01
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Xavier
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Posted - 27/01/2019 :  10:22:58  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I see another possibility : a species close to Entelopes or Parentelopes (Saperdini !), genus with also the rough scape...(and Francesco was right ! ). As said by Vitali, the similarity with several species of African Tragocephalini is also very strong! Anyway, I don't know.

Edited by - Xavier on 27/01/2019 10:54:32
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Jérôme Sudre
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Posted - 27/01/2019 :  11:44:19  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
En effet il y a un rapprochement avec Entelopes qui présente un scape avec un côté externe râpeux mais avec le peu de connaissances que j'ai de ces genres je ne pense pas que ce soit Entelopes ? Quant à Parentelopes je ne connais pas ce genre mais d'après le peu que j'ai vu (photo ou description) pourquoi pas en effet ?? Mais les Parentelopes ont ils des antennes aussi longues ? Les Dorcschematini oui. Malgré tout c'est vrai que ce specimen à plus la "configuration" d'un Sapardini ?
Bref je ne sais que penser ?

Edited by - Jérôme Sudre on 27/01/2019 11:54:13
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Xavier
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Posted - 27/01/2019 :  12:05:50  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote

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Le genre Parentelopes Breuning, 1954 est actuellement constitué de deux espèces.
Pour la longueur des antennes, l'holotype de P. kalimantanus est une femelle.

Edited by - Xavier on 27/01/2019 12:09:08
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Xavier
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Posted - 27/01/2019 :  12:12:52  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote

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Un nouveau montage pour comparer...

Edited by - Xavier on 27/01/2019 12:19:56
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