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Xavier
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Posted - 02/09/2019 :  14:08:45  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote

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5 mm, female. China(Zhejiang). Close to Amblymoropsis ? or Setosophroniella ?

Edited by - Xavier on 22/10/2019 08:56:05

Xavier
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Posted - 08/09/2019 :  16:27:09  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Interesting, I wouldn't have thought of this genus: all the species I know are rather reddish and white...
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Xaurus
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Posted - 09/09/2019 :  00:37:10  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
very similar to Amblymoropsis Breuning (=Setosophroniella) from New Guinea and Australia - maybe introduced to China ?
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Xavier
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Posted - 09/09/2019 :  09:18:46  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Ok, so it could also be an undescribed species of Amblymoropsis Breuning, 1958 : the 4 known species are all red, with different punctuation.


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Xavier
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Posted - 09/09/2019 :  17:33:40  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Xaurus

maybe introduced to China ?


This specimen comes from a deep and remote valley in Zhejiang mountains...

Edited by - Xavier on 09/09/2019 17:35:51
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Xavier
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Posted - 20/10/2019 :  17:08:34  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote

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4mm, male from the same locality.
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Xavier
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Posted - 20/10/2019 :  17:19:34  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote

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4,5 mm, female from the same locality.
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Max
Member Rosalia

Russia
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Posted - 22/10/2019 :  00:27:21  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
This is very similar to a beetles called now as Miaenia maritima. Maybe another species certainly.
https://www.zin.ru/Animalia/Coleoptera/rus/miamarkm.htm - ex from Lazo
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Xavier
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France
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Posted - 22/10/2019 :  08:47:00  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Very interesting Max. It seems exactly the same species, and the picture is really better than mine !

I see 2 questions:
- is this picture well identify ?
- does it really belong to Miaenia Pascoe, 1864 ?

By looking to this page, I do not understand what is Miaenia genus.... I feel that numerous species belong in fact to different genus or tribes.

First, it necessary to read:

- CHOI Ik Je, KWON Tae Sung & LIM Jongok, 2018. A taxonomic review of the genus Miaenia Pascoe, 1864 (Coleoptera: Cerambycidae) from South Korea with a new record of M. tonsa (Bates). Journal of Forest Research 29 (3): 833-840, 4 figs.

- TSHEREPANOV Alexei Ignatevich, 1979. Novyy vid roda Miaenia (Coleoptera, Cerambycidae).Trudy Vsesoyuznogo Entomologicheskogo Obshchestva 61: 82-83.

Does anyone have these papers ?



Edited by - Xavier on 22/10/2019 09:00:50
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Xavier
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Posted - 22/10/2019 :  09:08:37  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I add here a link to holotype picture of Miaenia maritima Tsherepanov, 1979.
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Xavier
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France
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Posted - 22/10/2019 :  09:57:39  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
It seems to me that there is a problem, since the genus Miaenia Pascoe, 1864 gathers species with intermediate tibias furrowed and long antenna (as here ), and species without furrow at intermediate tibias (and short antenna ?) .

In Breuning revision (1977-1978), 74 species of subgenus Miaenia (Acanthosciades), Miaenia (Aegocidnus), Miaenia (Estoliops), Miaenia (Granulimiaenia), Miaenia (Indoaegocidnus), Miaenia (Miaenia) , Miaenia (Micronesiella), Miaenia (Nonymoides), Miaenia (Pomeranaegocidnus), Miaenia (Sibuyomiaenia), Miaenia (Tonkinomiaenia), Miaenia (Truncatomiaenia) have a furrow at intermediate tibias.

Who understands something ?


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Xavier
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Posted - 22/10/2019 :  14:30:35  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote

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mesocoxal cavities comparison, specimen male

in Breuning revision (1977-1978), Miaenia Pascoe, 1864 have mesocoxal cavities closed, and belong to Acanthocinini tribe.

Members of Desmiphorini tribe have mesocoxal cavities open.

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Max
Member Rosalia

Russia
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Posted - 22/10/2019 :  18:17:11  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Judging by your recent activity, you're better at this than I am.
- is this picture well identify ? -I think so. At least that's how "our" species is treated.
does it really belong to Miaenia Pascoe, 1864? - good question.. But I don't have anything to add because I don't even have this beetle in my collection. It is rare species in Primorye.

-74 species of subgenus Miaenia (Acanthosciades), Miaenia (Aegocidnus), Miaenia (Estoliops), Miae.. - it's hard to imagine that this is some kind of natural group.
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znort
Member Purpuricenus

China
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Posted - 10/10/2023 :  10:23:43  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Xavier

Very interesting Max. It seems exactly the same species, and the picture is really better than mine !

I see 2 questions:
- is this picture well identify ?
- does it really belong to Miaenia Pascoe, 1864 ?

By looking to this page, I do not understand what is Miaenia genus.... I feel that numerous species belong in fact to different genus or tribes.

First, it necessary to read:

- CHOI Ik Je, KWON Tae Sung & LIM Jongok, 2018. A taxonomic review of the genus Miaenia Pascoe, 1864 (Coleoptera: Cerambycidae) from South Korea with a new record of M. tonsa (Bates). Journal of Forest Research 29 (3): 833-840, 4 figs.

- TSHEREPANOV Alexei Ignatevich, 1979. Novyy vid roda Miaenia (Coleoptera, Cerambycidae).Trudy Vsesoyuznogo Entomologicheskogo Obshchestva 61: 82-83.

Does anyone have these papers ?







You can find an open acces version of CHOI Ik Je, KWON Tae Sung & LIM Jongok, 2018. A taxonomic review of the genus Miaenia Pascoe, 1864 (Coleoptera: Cerambycidae) from South Korea with a new record of M. tonsa (Bates). Journal of Forest Research 29 (3): 833-840, 4 figs. here https://m.fx361.com/news/2018/0519/17132926.html
Interesting pictures of genitalia. I don't have my specimens here but maybe you or Gérard can check it.

Chinese Cerambycidae

Edited by - znort on 10/10/2023 10:24:46
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